It only took us 3 years to get to 50! lol

This episode, Dan, C-Swizzy, John, and Dave talk about Dreadball, Star Wars X-Wing, and primarily Adepticon.  Dan discusses the pain of being tabled in 10 minutes in Warhammer 40k.  C-Swizzy relishes in his massive tournament victory in Malifaux, while Dave rambles in a long winded battle report about his Blood Bowl tournament. Also we discuss Mantic Games’ direction with newer games as well as their kickstarter project, Dead Zone.

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We Learned How To Use Modern Technology!

Posted by admin on Monday May 13, 2013 Under Chris, Other, Site Admin

So I’ve been poking around and I think I got the forums back up and running again. Started using new anti-spambot (with a backup available if this does not work) and I also reformatted and re-organized everything. If the scary spambots scared you away, it should be safe to come back. If you’re new, feel free to sign up, THEY’RE FREE!

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Well, Episode 39 took a couple weeks, but here we are with a couple interesting new contests and interviews! We also have a very positive review of a new Happy Seppuku product, their “Sewers and Grates” press mold. There will be a more in depth review in the future, but this episode kinda gives the gist of my (positive) opinion of them.

First off, the contests, the first being hosted by me, The Baron:

Chris West of 2 Ton Miniatures was nice enough to paint my spare Nightmare Edition Lady Justice box set, (adding some Secret Weapon corpse field resin bases), and we’re going to be giving the set away for free! You can have an entire starting Malifaux army for the cost of nothing.

Well, nothing but a story. I want to hear your gamer story. Could be happy or sad, funny or terrifying, just something interesting. Send it to thebaron@theeternalwarriors.com or post it on the forums or facebook page under our appropriate contest header, and we’ll decide which one we like best. The winner gets their story read on the show AND gets the box set. The deadline for this contest is July 4th.

The second contest is Dan’s pet, and the rules are thus:

Make us laugh! Post on our facebook any funny jokes, demotivational pictures, etc that you find amusing and involve the gaming culture, and click Like for the ones you like. Enough likes gets you some really awesome resin bases from James of War Gamma. They’re great pieces from a great company. The deadline for that one is Dan’s birthday, June 24th.

Aside from contests, we’re also featuring two interviews. The first is Chris West of the aforementioned 2 Ton Studios about what it’s like being a professional painter. Here at TEW we have to highly recommend him, as I have seen his work and it is simply top notch. His work is cheap, professional, and quick. Seriously, the dude has some skills.

After that is an interview with Lathan of Burn In Designs. He’s an ubernerd and friend of the show, so being able to sit down with him is always a pleasure. If you need custom laser cut work done, he’s the man for the job.

You can find Chris and 2 Ton Studios at:

http://2tonstudios.blogspot.com/

You can find Lathan and Burn In Designs at:

http://www.facebook.com/BurnInDesigns

or

http://burnindesigns.blogspot.com/

You can also see the Wargamma bases we’re giving out at his site: http://www.mrdandy.com/wargamma/

Listen to Episode 39 here!

Have a great one everybody, and may Zalgo be with you.

~The Baron

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Welcome to the Eternal Warriors episode 33, brought to you by the letter H and the numbers 5, 2, and 47. Features include special guest Roy (again) and we talked about how to beat Grey Knights, the troubles of owning too much paint, and tales of airport intrigue!

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Well, Episode 32 is here, a long time coming!

In it we discuss what we’ve been up to since the hiatus, shooting the breeze with Roy from The Screaming Heretics and special guest Carl. We are switching to a shorter format starting with this episode, let us know on the forums what you think of it!

Image a detail of “Phoenix Orb,” painted by Patrick McEvoy.

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Forums Are Back To Normal

Posted by admin on Monday Jan 9, 2012 Under Chris, Site Admin

Forums are back to Normal. Feel free to post away! If you register a new account it might take a while because I have to approve all new accounts that are created in order to keep the spammers away. If you don’t get approved within a day email me at either admin@theeternalwarriors.com or cswizzy@theeternalwarriors.com, prove you’re not a robot or Russian spammer, and I’ll get you set up. I apologize for any inconveniences.

- C Swizzy

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Making Progress

Posted by admin on Sunday Jan 8, 2012 Under Chris, Dan, Dave, Site Admin, The Baron

Progress is being made as we speak. The Forums, as we all know, kind of went to shit. I have fixed the problem but by doing so I had to nuke almost every single post on the boards. There was just waaaaaaaaaaay too much to prune through so I had to access the “Football” and nuke everything. By doing so I was able to keep the same format we have all grown to love though. All of your accounts should be still there though. I (C Swizzy) also have all admin rights to just about everything now so any future problems should be able to be taken care of in a timely manner.

We should be set to record in a few weeks, and we’re pretty excited about it!

Thanks for waiting out the storm, good things are coming down the tubes!

-C Swizzy

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UPDATE: A Meeting Of The Minds

Posted by C Swizzy on Saturday Dec 31, 2011 Under Chris, Dan, Dave, General Gaming, Podcast Release

Well first of all I’d like to wish everyone a Happy New Year!! I wish the new year is better than the last.

Hopefully the new year will be more kind to us over here at TEW.

I’d like to let you all know that we are meeting up next week to discuss the show and possibly to arrange a new recording schedule. We will also be taking steps to try to salvage the forums. I know they kind of went to shit but we need to desperately learn how to fully maintain it on our own.

So once again please be patient. Changes are coming in the near future. We will be back better than ever. We are Eternal after all…..

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Why boycott GW?

Posted by Dan on Tuesday May 24, 2011 Under Chris, Dan, Warhammer 40k

The Chicago area has 10 different Games Workshop stores and another 10+ large independent hobby stores with open wargaming tables that are all less than a 1 hour drive from one another.  In addition there are dozens of smaller game/comic/book stores spread though out the area that cater to Magic, board games and other smaller independent games.   A google search for “Games Workshop” in the Chicago area will yield 44 different locations.  On top of that we’re hosting Games Day and have the multi-day mega gamer party known as Adepticon.  Within a few hours drive are at least 6 other medium sized cons this year and the biggest gamer orgasm on the planet known as GenCon.  We have a very large and active wargaming community with numerous events every single weekend of the year.  When it comes to gaming opportunities I can safely say that we in the Chicago area are spoiled rotten.

I’m not bragging, I’m telling you this because I appreciate what I have available to me.  Not for one minute do I take it for granted.  It takes a huge  commitment on the part of the gaming community to create, maintain and grow what we now have.  Part of this appreciation is to acknowledge that not everyone is as blessed with gaming opportunities as we are in Chicago.

One of the best things about being a part of this podcast is talking to people from across the world.  Ask me about the gaming opportunities in Columbia, Sweden, Singapore, South Africa and the Saudi Arabia. I’ve spoken to all locations.  Some are large and healthy and some are just two guys with a single starter box.

Even in the US where GW has a large presence the gaming can be spread pretty thin.  Ask Chris about the gaming community in Montana, he met him at Adepticon last year.  Ask the hosts of the 11th Company podcast how large their local gaming community is.  If it was any smaller the 11th Company would be the gaming community.

So how does their small game community effect me?  To be honest, it doesn’t.  Like I said earlier, we here in Chicago are spoiled rotten with opportunity.  But just because we live a privileged existence doesn’t mean we have to act that way.  Chris and I are well aware that we have it good and others don’t.  That’s why we have always been quick to help out a fellow gamer.  That’s why we promote gaming cons we’ll never go to, a painting service we’ve never used, or help publicize a local club we don’t belong to.

And that is why we were quick to come to the defense of a gaming community under threat in Australia and New Zealand.  We both looked over the facts and the facts are true.  People who play 40K and Fantasy in Australia and New Zealand are being overcharged between 65% and 75% by GW.  Their only outlet to buy GW models for a similar price that everyone else in the world pays is to go on-line.  In June that option will be shut down.

At that point a few people will pay full price but many more will stop playing the game.  That by itself is normal, people stop playing this game all the time.  Some come back and others sell their models on ebay.  For a gaming community to stay the same size they need to recruit new players every year to replace the ones who quit.  What do you think will happen if more people quit because they can’t afford to stay in the hobby and less people join because they can’t afford to buy into the hobby.  Seriously people, you don’t need to be a genius to figure this one out.

Has the GW wargaming community been on the decline?  Yes it has.  The proof is clear if you just look.  What happened to the Imperial Truth Podcast?  Why is Podhammer talking about giving up GW games?  Why has the Gamer’s Lounge stopped covering 40K?  Where is Phil Johnson and his Warbanner podcast?  Why did we stop being 100% 40K?  What about Bell of Lost Souls, they used to be 100% 40K also.  Warseer and DakkaDakka forums never used to have a Warmachine or Malifaux section but now they do.

What about Games Workshop the company.  I’ve always said that when a company has bad morale the good people leave because they can and the bad people stay because they have no choice.  Where is Steve Jackson working now?  Where is Rick Priestly, Jervis Johnson, or Alessio Cavatore?  They all left.  Is there something they know that we don’t?

But back to my original point.  Chicago has 10 Games Workshop stores because it has a strong wargamer community to back them up.  Sydney Australia has 13 and it’s wargaming community is under threat.  What do you expect Chris and I to do?  Will we sit and selfishly watch a great wargaming community die because it’s inconvenient to help out.?  No, we’re going to stick our necks out on the line for people we don’t know because it’s the right thing to do.

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This article is reposted from the Tabletop Hooligans website with their permission. Very well written article.

As I’m certain everyone in the gaming universe is well aware of by now, Games Workshop has announced a wide range of price increases currently set to take effect at the end of May. Veterans, and even most neophytes, in the gaming community, would normally roll their eyes at this completely expected maneuver, shrug their shoulders, and move on.

This has not been the case this year. A number of news items have made this a very different merry-go-round of pain for our friends in Great Britain this year, and this may be the year that our friends at Games Workshop have finally overreached, perhaps fatally. Rumors had been circulating for months that GW was going to change production of their metal models over to a resin formula to save on costs for months, an announcement that was eventually confirmed. The first wave of Games Workshop’s new “Finecast” range is coming our way soon. Considering the cost savings of resin over metal, few expected prices would increase this year. Nobody expected that Games Workshop would actually lower prices-that would be madness-but very few people actually expected that GW would actually have the stones to raise prices after publicly switching to a production method they were admitting was going to save them a significant amount of money.

This was not the only public relations disaster that was related to costs coming our way this year. For years, our gaming friends down under have paid significantly more for the same product we enjoy here in the northern hemisphere. Now, some of that had to do with exchange rates and shipping costs, but with the proliferation of online retailers, many in Australia came to the realization they could order from brick and mortar retailers in Great Britain online, and pay for shipping, around the globe, and still save significantly more money over driving around the block and buying from their friendly local gaming store. Or from the local Games Workshop Retailer, which are much more prevalent elsewhere in the world than they are in the US.

Here in the United States, there aren’t a whole lot of areas that depend on GW for brick and mortar play. Independent retailers comprise most of the gaming market here in the United States. We here at Tabletop Hooligans have an amazing FLWS to play at, Brothers Grim Games, and the nearest official Games Workshop Store are the two small stores in New York City, which have less floor space than the storage closet in the basement of Grim. On-topic, though, elsewhere, especially in Australia, Games Workshop in theory generates tremendous revenue from direct sales through their brick and mortar stores. So, that box of Space Marines they sell for $40 in the United States, they in theory sell for approximately $75 in the land of Kangaroos and Steve Irwin. (It does fluctuate a bit due to exchange rates).

Games Workshop, realizing the amount of money they were losing due to their customers not being stupid and exercising their free market rights going elsewhere (even if that elsewhere was a retailer on the other side of the planet) put pressure on their distributors and those retailers to stop selling outside the European Union. The legalities of this are questionable. I’m not going to delve into international trade law here in this editorial, because frankly most of you don’t care and I’m not entirely up on the subject myself, but the end result is the most popular retailers that Australians did business with can no longer sell outside the Eurozone-the European Union and a handful of countries associated with it. Technically, that includes the United States and a bunch of other countries, but, hey, at least we don’t pay seventy five bucks for a tactical squad, right? I managed an independent retailer before. I’ve seen GW exert extremely unfair influence in the industry before. They get away with it because, to be blunt, nobody has the money to go after them in court. Games Workshop hasn’t just shut down shipping to Australia, but indeed, to the entire Southern Hemisphere. That’s right, half of the globe, is prohibited from shipping to the other half of the globe, because it’s cutting into Games Workshop’s own profits.

The “nerd rage” that the combination of these practices has engendered has been spectacular. If, however, the gaming community at large wants to actually effect change, then we need to come to some sort of rational conclusions as a group and do some things.

1: Games Workshop is a publicly traded company. At the end of the day, the thing that the current corporate directors care about is the stock price. Now, that’s ultimately really short sighted, on par with the sort of financial decisions that triggered the Great Recession of 2008. Right now, it’s working for them, because the stock price is still fundamentally sound, in fact, it’s increased because GW’s profits are up. But, they’re only up because GW’s done a number of things that in long term are really going to cost them. They’ve done a great deal of cost cutting, including cutting staff, stretching out release schedules, closing retail stores, and let’s not even talk about the low quality of the way they support their releases after a new book comes out. At the same time, they’ve consistently raised prices year after year. They’ve maintained their profits, yes, but sales volume is down significantly. Looking at their yearly reports, it seems that since 2006, sales by volume have decreased at least 10%, but profits have remained about steady, probably due to a combination of price increases and ‘trimming the fat’ elsewhere. Games Workshop boasts that they make a 75% markup on most of the products sold in their store. As someone who worked in retail for a number of years, let me tell you something-that is an insane profit margin. An electronics store is lucky to make a 10% markup on a high ticket item like a laptop or TV, which is why they try so hard to get you to buy accessories or a warranty. Your friendly local gaming store normally has about a 30% markup on that same box of space marines, which has to go to things like rent and employees. Don’t believe me on this financial information? Remember, they’re a publicly traded company, it’s all required to be available! Check it out on their investor’s website.

http://investor.games-workshop.com/downloads/results/results2010/2009-10_FinalFullYearReport.pdf

2: There’s nothing a publicly traded company hates more than bad publicity. But, if you want to have a lasting impact in such a way that actually has a positive impact on the hobby we all enjoy, we have to do things intelligently and respectfully. Remember, this is a company that we all have given hundreds (or thousands) of dollars over the years and have enjoyed the products they’ve produced. The day-to-day employees who work at the Battle Bunkers are not responsible for these asinine policies. Nor are the guys who write the rules systems we enjoy, nor the sculptors who create the models we love. Hell, even Matt Ward isn’t responsible for this debacle. When talking about this entire situation, remain calm, responsible, and reasonable. But be sure to be on-point about this: We as a community can no longer tolerate a company treating its customers in such a fashion. We have other options. Unlike in the past, when Games Workshop was basically responsible for 90%+ of the tabletop games industry, there’s a whole host of competition out there who treat their customers with far more respect and kindness than Games Workshop corporate has shown us recently. Privateer Press and Battlefront Miniatures are certainly the two biggest that come to mind, but I’ve seen Malifaux, Infinity, Dystopian Wars, Battletech, and a number of others all making their rounds around the shop recently. Also, nobody’s forcing you to use only Games Workshop miniatures at your local friendly gaming store-obviously if your only option is a GW store, then that’s that, but certainly at the Grim that’s not the case.

3: Games Workshop targets two demographic groups with its merchandise: Males 18-49 and teenage boys, both with disposable income. These two demographics are the most coveted in the United States for advertising revenue because, well, we buy tons of crap. Our attention is constantly being fought over as a result. We, as a group, have decided for whatever reason to spend money on Games Workshop products. We’re mostly educated people with disposable income to spend on stuff. We need to make it clear to Games Workshop that we’re not going to spend it on their products any more.

4: How can we do that, you ask? By respectfully contacting them and letting them of our displeasure. And not via the internet, which for some bizarre reason has the ability to trigger mass revolution in the Middle East but not make suits in a board room realize their pricing policies for little plastic soldiers are inefficient. Be respectful and contact them by letter or by phone. The customer service number in the United States is 1-800-394-4263. I don’t have the number for other countries, but I can’t imagine it would be that hard to find. They log and track every phone call they receive. Remember, the nice woman or man on the phone is NOT responsible for the pricing policies Games Workshop is implementing. Be polite to that person, because you’re far more likely to get a positive result if you’re polite, and if all this works, they’re going to be dealing with a lot of phone calls. That said, express your displease over the near-constant price increases they’ve hit us with over the last ten years. In 2001, a box of space marines cost around $25. Now it costs $40, and that’s before whatever price increase they’re going to hit us with at the end of the month. They’ll say something about the price of oil, and manufacturing costs, and that’s fine. You can reply with that little nugget I shared in about the 75% profit margin on product in GW stores, the fact that GW opened another manufacturing plant in Alabama a couple of years ago to cut costs, and the fact that many of their most popular kits-the entire Space Marine range, for example, much of the Eldar plastics, a lot of the Guard stuff-has long since paid for itself a hundred times over. Remember at all times to remain respectful, though. I really can’t emphasize this enough.

Another option is to send a letter. The effort it takes to actually send snail mail means that it gets special attention. In Congress, staffers actually take the time to address constituents that send their Congressmen and Senators letters, simply because so few of them do that they tend to be active in politics. They’re people that can be relied on to talk about the issues to their friends, to encourage them to vote. So by giving those people attention, they can help influence other voters. Even if you call Customer Service, send Games Workshop a letter. Address it to Tom Kirby or Mark Wells, care of Games Workshop, at the following address:

Games Workshop
Willow Road
Lenton
Nottingham
NG7 2WS

Remember to be respectful and polite. Make a coherent, personal, impactful argument. Don’t be a douchebag, or internet toughguy. That completely undermines whatever you’re trying to say and nobody will take you seriously. Worse, you’ll get the cops after you for sending a threatening letter through the mail.

5: Having done all these things, and sworn up and down we’re done buying Games Workshop products…DON’T BUY ANY MORE GAMES WORKSHOP PRODUCTS. Be done with them. God knows I already own enough stuff of theirs to have multiple armies for years to come. I don’t ‘need’ anything else, in sense one could need something in a completely optional hobby one spends disposable income on. The only way to make them see reason is to affect the stock price. The only way to hit the stock price is to shake sales (and cause such a titter of customer discontent through actions like this that investors get antsy). That means not buying their products, no matter how awesome the new War Sphinx looks! In the meantime, support your local gaming store by getting into another game. In a lot of cases, you’ll discover that they can be a lot of fun. We’re starting up a Warmachine and a Flames of War league at Grim in the next couple of weeks, and as much as I’m looking forward to the Grim 40K GT in June, I’m also looking forward to stepping away from the style of Games Workshop games for a bit and getting into the different game styles represented in those other two games systems.

I want to thank all the people participating in the discussions taking place on DakkaDakka, Warseer, and Spacebattles. Some of the ideas and information in this editorial came from various people in those forums and I want to acknowledge all of those people for their collective contributions. I’ve been playing Warhammer and Warhammer 40K for almost fifteen years now and I’ve been gaming for twenty. I want my kids to one day participate in the hobby with me. But I want it to be affordable enough that I don’t have to mortgage the house my wife and I are currently shopping for in order to be able to do it.

Garrett Petersen is an occasional contributor to Tabletop Hooligans. He is an Aquarius and enjoys BBQ, long walks on the beach, and the smell of a combi-melta in the morning. When not gaming he is completing a master’s in special education and also breeds tropical fish. His wife isn’t sure which hobby she hates more. He can be reached at slacker22 at gmail.com

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